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Vista haters, feel free to unite against me 
10th-Sep-2008 08:14 pm
I've used vista for... what, a year now? Since I got my laptop? Something like that. It took me that long for me to find a real reason to hate it -- I've found four different places you need to tweak to adjust your startup items. So far.

But don't you find it slow?

Not particularly. It's rather tedious on boot, but it's not much slower than my work computer running a streamlined XP image where the hardware is half the size of this machine. I also don't run Aero, which is pretty but fundamentally useless as well as being a complete resource hog.

Isn't it crash-prone?

Mine isn't. It took 9 months to find my first BSOD, and 10 months for my first freeze, both of which seem to have been related to a bursting-full hd. (bad nerd, no cookie.) It's still the second-least-crashy system I've ever used, first being a very contented Ubuntu. Besides, it's a micro$oft product. If you stare at it long enough, it'll crash. That's just the nature of the beast.

Don't the security popups make you crazy?

Not really. I've used linux systems that force you to not run as root. And you can turn most of that off, if you like. Mostly, you're just spoiled.

Gaming incompatibility!

I don't game like that. Sorry.

Driver incompatibility!

Well, yeah. I have a factory install, so neener. AND it pulled a p-n-p on an audio interface I have that I could never get to work on any other computer, period.

It's fucking annoying!

Yes, yes it is. In attempting to be idiot-proof, it moved a lot of shit around to where old windows users can't find it, and put everything else in non-intuitive places. Luckily, the system search is damned good, so you need to just chill out and let the computer fetch that app you can't find (a surprisingly difficult adaptation to make).

I would fear and loath upgrading a computer to Vista, because that sounds just super-scary. But, pre-installed on a new box, with a willingness to not be a cranky old fart and tweak your system, like youv'e done with every other OS you've ever had, it's not so bad.

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11th-Sep-2008 02:30 am (UTC) - Re: Hear, hear!
Yeah, bu you're a cabalist.

(I can't tell you how long I've been waiting to say that.)

11th-Sep-2008 03:10 am (UTC)
I'll add a couple:

No disaster recovery

A factory install doesn't ship the original installation media they're legally obligated to ship; if, for some reason, your Vista system melts down, bye-bye, see ya, you're sunk.

Guilt until innocence is proven

I refuse to run a system that requires you to beg the vendor for permission to run what you've already paid for, and that phones home every time you turn it on. Therefore, the WinBlows 98SE system on the other box at this desk is the last WinBlows system I will ever run; when it will no longer run on the inevitable hardware upgrades, I will lose the ability to play Axis & Allies, the one WinBlows-based program I still occasionally use (no, I just can't get it to run under wine). Oh, well.
11th-Sep-2008 03:43 am (UTC)
I have the OS disk, somewhere around here. I think I had to pay extra for it, but that makes me a schmuck, not a dumb schmuck.

I would have gone with a dell-buntu, but I resented the HELL out of them selling it at the same price as vista (since absolutely everything is a la carte with dell). And that would have been an interesting trick, because I've found ubuntu nigh-on-impossible to install on this laptop (inspiron 1721 -- dell's latest Edsel, it seems) for reasons i'm not smart enough to figure out.
11th-Sep-2008 06:29 pm (UTC)
You didn't pay for it. All you have to do to get the original system disk (from Dell, anyway) is ask for it when you place your order.
11th-Sep-2008 06:31 pm (UTC)
oh is that all? sheesh.
11th-Sep-2008 06:37 pm (UTC)
...which is to say that I did so, and you do. It's just another a la carte option.

BTW, the price is not the reason you got Vista. You got Vista because you needed a Win box for school, dumbass. You would have saved about $400 had you gone with Ubuntu.
11th-Sep-2008 06:48 pm (UTC)
maybe now, not then. I distinctly remember the prices being exactly the same.
11th-Sep-2008 05:34 am (UTC)
If you have a brand new computer, with lots of memory, no legacy devices, every one of your equipment vendors has Vista-compatible drivers, and lots of patience, then Vista works. For a home user, at least.

If you're in a corporate environment? Your IT department will murder you in your sleep. Slowly.
11th-Sep-2008 05:55 am (UTC)
indeed. no question.
11th-Sep-2008 06:14 am (UTC)
My only issue with Vista was how dog slow games ran on it. (Even with a 10 capable card and drivers).

Other than that.. it's like XP and NT had a bastard love child and candy coated it. :)

11th-Sep-2008 12:38 pm (UTC)
you're nicer than I am about it.
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